An introduction to Scouts-L
SCOUTS-L is the "International Electronic Roundtable that Never Ends".
It provides opportunities for adult youth program leaders world-wide to interact,
compare notes on their programs, discuss organizational problems and concerns, and
communicate with other youth program leaders all over the world! The list has been
operating continuously since March 29, 1990.
While the discussion may be heavily weighted towards the programs of the Boy
Scouts of America (BSA), we do welcome discussions from members of the Girl Scouts of the USA (GSUSA), the World
Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM), the World Association of Girl Guides
and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS), Boys' and Girls' Clubs, Campfire, and other world-wide
scouting and youth organizations, and others interested in youth programs.
New subscribers to SCOUTS-L receive a "You are now subscribed to the Scouts-L
introductory letter with some instructions on how to post to the list, and a
"Welcome to Scouts-L" letter with some guidelines and more instructions.
Copies of both letters can be seen by following these links:
Please read and save both letters, and the other information linked below, as
you will find the information quite useful
What DO we talk about on Scouts-L?
In general, the topics we discuss normally fall into these areas:
- membership, program, financing, service/support and administration of local
youth agency groups,
- opinions on or perceptions of how "things should or should not go where
you are", and
- ways to develop, enhance and recognize individual programs and program
For more on this topic, see the portion of the "Welcome"
letter with this heading: What do we talk about on Scouts-L?.
What DON'T we talk about on Scouts-L?
As you can imagine, not everyone on Scouts-L is in total agreement every day with all
issues and resolutions of issues. We do argue, we express ourselves with deep personal
emotion, but we also remember that we are in the company of fellow Scouters - .people
who understand that disagreements are a part of being human; that the disagreement
is with the other point of view, and NOT the other person. Therefore, you will NOT
find here the outlandish language and ongoing discussions about topics that have
no real answer to them. We don't have time for such nonsense...we're too busy discussing
issues that CAN be resolved.
We talk about so many things each day, that it is hard to say what we will
NOT talk about -- but like any forum or discussion group, there are a few simple
"makes sense" guidelines. We attempt to steer away from matters which tend to "polarize"
or "personalize" list members' emotional or their organizational stance on three
key issues. IN particular, we have made a decision to avoid discussion of topics
we refer to as the "three Gs" (you may see references to "3G" or
"GGG" in some postings). Those issues are:
- GOD - discussion which focuses on the role of
religion as a part of a youth program and how organizations use faith to either
encourage or suppress particular faiths' or religious ideology involvement within
elements of their youth program.. In particular, we do not permit
discussions of the BSA’s policy which does not allow membership of avowed
- GIRLS - discussion which focuses on the desirability
of female youth members as participants in currently all-male youth programs
or subsets of youth programs; or to their attainment of awards and recognitions
currently available to males only. In particular, we do not permit
discussions of the BSA’s policy which does not allow membership of female
youth in its Cub Scout, Boy Scout, and Varsity Scout programs. and
- GAYS - discussion which focuses on the participation,
encouragement or discouragement of individuals self-identified or broadly brushed
as "gays", which encompasses homosexual or bisexual lifestyles, as full or associate
members of a youth program whether as volunteers, employees or youth members.
In particular, we do not permit discussions of the BSA’s policy which
does not allow membership of leaders who are openly homosexual and/or
advocate homosexual behavior, nor BSA's policy which permits homosexual
- We also do not permit posts which are partisan political statements, and
ask that you refrain from posting other items which are not germane to the
purpose of the list.
You are welcome to post information pertaining to a youth program's announcement
with regard to these three topic areas (or any other); however the list will be
monitored to insure that follow-up emails pertain to the INFORMATION PROVIDED, and
not personal or organizational "slants" one way or another. If you desire to communicate
your feelings, opinions, or comments, please do so "off-list", addressing your email
to the originator of the information and NOT to the entire list.
We try as hard as we can NOT to censure or ignore ANYONE's point of view or thought
on ANY topic, but we have "driven some topics deeply into the ground." Please check
the logs *before* bringing up a sensitive topic that we have talked about before.
Also, please think before replying to a issue which "may set off firerockets." If
you have any concerns, please let one of the list administrators know or send a
copy of your proposed posting to one of the administrators BEFORE you post it to
Other posting guidelines
You are welcome to post youth program-related items with permission or
attribution from the originator. We urge you to post the article instead of a
link when at all possible since some participants are very leery to click
through to linked content. Please understand that while you have a personal
right to express your own viewpoints, opinions and ideas; that as a discussion
group, the moderation team does have the right to request that such conversation
be taken to personal emails between individuals
(what we call "off-list") and NOT to the entire email list.
We would also appreciate it greatly if you sign your name (not a pseudonym) somewhere
in every posting so that replies can be "personalized" to you. This also makes
it nicer for you to be recognized as an individual.
The Scouts-L electronic mailing list is operated by the US Scouting Service Project,
Inc. (USSSP), an independent not-for-profit corporation organized by volunteers,
whose mission is to provide web content to aid Scouts and Scouters. Scouts-L
and the USSSP are not directed nor financed by any other national or local youth
program organization. In particular, there is no connection to the Boy Scouts of
America nor to the Girl Scouts of the USA, and Scouts-L should not be considered as
a marketing or program element of any national youth program organization.
How to Subscribe
For information on how to Subscribe to the list,
What is the Listserv?
The Listserv is a computer program that accepts and processes commands or inquiries. THERE
IS NOBODY PHYSICALLY AT THE LISTSERV ADDRESS!
Take some time to learn how to use and interact with the LISTSERV. This will
save you a lot of time and headaches when you want to search for some past topic,
retrieve files, or change some of your options. Remember there are 2 email addresses
that you use:
||Use this only when you want to POST a message to the group
||Use this when you want to send a command to the server, such as to subscribe,
unsubscribe, get log files, or change options.
A good command to start with is "HELP".
For information on a number of other useful commands which can be sent to LISTSERV,
More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference
card, which you can retrieve by clicking here:
If you need to change your e-mail address or unsubscribe, and you no longer have
access to the account by which you joined, contact on of the administrators to have
the account deleted or changed.
Sending an Introduction of Yourself
When first subscribing to SCOUTS-L, please feel free to post a brief message
(about a screen's worth) about yourself to introduce yourself to the list.
When responding to someone's introduction, please DO NOT USE the reply function
of your mailer as your reply will then also be distributed to the entire list. Use
private Email. SCOUTS-L makes a concerted effort to keep network traffic and "junk
mail" to a minimum, since there are many subscribers receiving SCOUTS-L through
their place of work.
Accessing the Scouts-L Archive of previous posted messages
What is archived on SCOUTS-L?
All postings to SCOUTS-L are automatically archived into monthly files,
beginning with March, 1990, when the list began. You may
retrieve these log files by sending the following command as the first line in a
GET SCOUTS-L LOGyymm
where "yy" is the last two digits of the year and "mm" is the month of the requested notebook.
( i.e. for the June 2010 log you would use LOG1006)
You can also access the log files online by clicking here:
When first subscribing, you may want to get the most recent log file or
files so that you
can "catch up" on what has been going on. Log files are also useful to see what
has been discussed while you've been away from the list for a while.
We hope to see SCOUTS-L continue for many years as a major resource to Scouters
and others as well as a forum for which ideas can be expressed and the differences
that we all have can be appreciated.
Yours in Scouting,
The Scouts-L Administration Team
Paul S Wolf